1 00:00:07,940 --> 00:00:06,259 cancel the training exercise all of our 2 00:00:22,010 --> 00:00:07,950 head start looking up I guess now we 3 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:22,020 know that it's around us is when we 4 00:00:27,740 --> 00:00:24,570 should wake attack and incredible 5 00:00:30,710 --> 00:00:27,750 capabilities as far as aviation goes 6 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:30,720 there's no wings no rotor so lifting 7 00:00:36,740 --> 00:00:33,930 services no control services definition 8 00:00:38,210 --> 00:00:36,750 don't slow down it just stops instantly 9 00:00:40,190 --> 00:00:38,220 and goes the other direction it was 10 00:00:43,729 --> 00:00:40,200 watching us you're watching they 11 00:00:46,100 --> 00:00:43,739 actively tried to jam the radar active 12 00:00:48,229 --> 00:00:46,110 cameo Raider is hostile action this 13 00:00:49,420 --> 00:00:48,239 thing disappeared in a second which is 14 00:00:54,270 --> 00:00:49,430 gone 15 00:00:54,280 --> 00:01:04,310 [Music] 16 00:01:13,289 --> 00:01:10,710 samandar flavor no commander flavor and 17 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:13,299 I have been talking for quite some time 18 00:01:17,490 --> 00:01:15,250 you know obviously before your story 19 00:01:19,649 --> 00:01:17,500 broke the internet over and over and 20 00:01:21,330 --> 00:01:19,659 over again well I was privileged to be 21 00:01:24,029 --> 00:01:21,340 able to hear directly from commander 22 00:01:26,190 --> 00:01:24,039 flavor about his experience and that was 23 00:01:29,639 --> 00:01:26,200 really an important moment you know I 24 00:01:31,380 --> 00:01:29,649 got some good intel on the events and it 25 00:01:33,300 --> 00:01:31,390 was very impactful for me to hear his 26 00:01:37,499 --> 00:01:33,310 story at what I'm so excited about today 27 00:01:40,889 --> 00:01:37,509 the first and only he says time he's 28 00:01:47,100 --> 00:01:40,899 doing anything like this is today so I'm 29 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:47,110 glad that you're here I'm listed in the 30 00:01:53,460 --> 00:01:51,130 marine corps at 17 years old for good 31 00:01:56,190 --> 00:01:53,470 reason so anyone that knows me my wife 32 00:01:57,570 --> 00:01:56,200 is out there probably laughing so I did 33 00:01:59,520 --> 00:01:57,580 that I was fortunate enough they select 34 00:02:02,340 --> 00:01:59,530 me they sent me to college to the Naval 35 00:02:03,990 --> 00:02:02,350 Academy and and I was fortunate enough 36 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:04,000 to get to fly and had a great career I 37 00:02:06,389 --> 00:02:05,170 was actually stationed up in woodby on 38 00:02:07,460 --> 00:02:06,399 in Washington for three years playing 39 00:02:10,229 --> 00:02:07,470 the a-6 intruder 40 00:02:11,970 --> 00:02:10,239 so I'm dating myself so I flew intruders 41 00:02:13,890 --> 00:02:11,980 off the Ranger the Ranger wasn't in 42 00:02:15,690 --> 00:02:13,900 Bremerton a few years ago waiting to be 43 00:02:17,610 --> 00:02:15,700 turned into razor blades so I did all 44 00:02:18,990 --> 00:02:17,620 that so everyone that flies tactical 45 00:02:20,550 --> 00:02:19,000 airplanes in a navy which when I say 46 00:02:21,930 --> 00:02:20,560 tactical I mean things that go off of 47 00:02:23,490 --> 00:02:21,940 aircraft carriers and come back on 48 00:02:26,099 --> 00:02:23,500 aircraft carriers has the security 49 00:02:27,569 --> 00:02:26,109 clearance for obvious reasons one is the 50 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:27,579 systems itself that are on the airplane 51 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:29,170 and two are some of the things that we 52 00:02:32,970 --> 00:02:30,850 get to carry when we fly the airplanes 53 00:02:35,670 --> 00:02:32,980 so everyone goes through that and to get 54 00:02:37,470 --> 00:02:35,680 those there's obviously there's a lot of 55 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:37,480 paperwork you're gonna fill out and then 56 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:39,250 there's investigations that go on like 57 00:02:42,539 --> 00:02:40,690 they do go around and they talk to your 58 00:02:44,069 --> 00:02:42,549 neighbors which was interesting for me 59 00:02:46,530 --> 00:02:44,079 because I went into Marines at 17 for 60 00:02:47,849 --> 00:02:46,540 good reason that people are gonna go 61 00:02:48,810 --> 00:02:47,859 around a knock on the door and ask hey 62 00:02:50,039 --> 00:02:48,820 do you know this guy and they're like 63 00:02:52,979 --> 00:02:50,049 yeah we want to give them a security 64 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:52,989 clearance I'm gonna go really but they 65 00:02:58,860 --> 00:02:57,130 did so it worked out and and then you go 66 00:03:01,440 --> 00:02:58,870 through extensive training and when I 67 00:03:04,050 --> 00:03:01,450 say training it never stops 68 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:04,060 so for the entire 18 years I flew you're 69 00:03:07,979 --> 00:03:05,290 in some type of training and you're 70 00:03:09,059 --> 00:03:07,989 always being evaluated so every flight 71 00:03:11,250 --> 00:03:09,069 that we fly we come 72 00:03:12,630 --> 00:03:11,260 we get debrief every time we land on the 73 00:03:14,039 --> 00:03:12,640 boat it gets graded and they come down 74 00:03:17,640 --> 00:03:14,049 and tell you if you were good bad and 75 00:03:20,009 --> 00:03:17,650 different so you're always under that 76 00:03:21,300 --> 00:03:20,019 scrutiny and we're always if we're not 77 00:03:24,420 --> 00:03:21,310 being trained we're always training 78 00:03:26,699 --> 00:03:24,430 someone else so you think about it we go 79 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:26,709 through stuff because I know there's 80 00:03:29,849 --> 00:03:27,970 gonna be questions and there has been a 81 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:29,859 lot of what was it it could have been 82 00:03:32,309 --> 00:03:31,090 this it could have been that so we go 83 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:32,319 through things you know we get taught 84 00:03:35,879 --> 00:03:33,730 what other airplanes look like we fly 85 00:03:38,399 --> 00:03:35,889 against other airplanes I float against 86 00:03:40,770 --> 00:03:38,409 everything in the u.s. inventory except 87 00:03:42,149 --> 00:03:40,780 for the Raptor I've been out there but I 88 00:03:45,119 --> 00:03:42,159 didn't go do it I sent other guys to go 89 00:03:46,860 --> 00:03:45,129 do that and other foreign stuff so I 90 00:03:48,780 --> 00:03:46,870 mean I did five cruises to the Persian 91 00:03:51,030 --> 00:03:48,790 Gulf so I spent a lot of time over there 92 00:03:53,069 --> 00:03:51,040 a lot of time over Iraq and a lot of 93 00:03:54,509 --> 00:03:53,079 time over Africa so there's a lot that 94 00:03:56,220 --> 00:03:54,519 goes into this and all the stuff that we 95 00:03:59,250 --> 00:03:56,230 have to learn and train to as far as 96 00:04:00,990 --> 00:03:59,260 being professional observers because if 97 00:04:02,339 --> 00:04:01,000 we're not in a shooting or we're 98 00:04:03,539 --> 00:04:02,349 actually out there you know things will 99 00:04:05,309 --> 00:04:03,549 try and come out towards the boat and 100 00:04:07,649 --> 00:04:05,319 then we have to intercept them and help 101 00:04:10,099 --> 00:04:07,659 them go to other direction so you know 102 00:04:12,809 --> 00:04:10,109 we are we are professional observers and 103 00:04:13,469 --> 00:04:12,819 after at this point when the incident 104 00:04:16,159 --> 00:04:13,479 happened 105 00:04:20,819 --> 00:04:16,169 I had been flying for about 16 years 106 00:04:22,860 --> 00:04:20,829 about 3,600 hours I went to Top Gun so I 107 00:04:24,719 --> 00:04:22,870 am one of those guys I'll make a little 108 00:04:26,250 --> 00:04:24,729 joke there are two things in the movie 109 00:04:29,939 --> 00:04:26,260 that are true you guys know what they 110 00:04:34,110 --> 00:04:29,949 are the one there is a place called Top 111 00:04:39,689 --> 00:04:34,120 Gun number two they do fly airplanes 112 00:04:42,990 --> 00:04:39,699 there other than that oh and the signals 113 00:04:45,060 --> 00:04:43,000 coming to it is it actually is called 114 00:04:46,500 --> 00:04:45,070 maverick Top Gun - I just got a good 115 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:46,510 rundown from a buddy of mine who's still 116 00:04:51,060 --> 00:04:48,849 in the Navy and actually met Tom Cruise 117 00:04:52,050 --> 00:04:51,070 he was telling me the other day so but 118 00:04:54,420 --> 00:04:52,060 they are filming it I don't know how 119 00:04:56,580 --> 00:04:54,430 it's gonna be because he's like almost a 120 00:04:58,110 --> 00:04:56,590 40 year guy he's a captain which you'd 121 00:04:59,950 --> 00:04:58,120 have to retire in real life at 30 but 122 00:05:02,170 --> 00:04:59,960 that's a different story 123 00:05:04,689 --> 00:05:02,180 never let the truth get in the way of a 124 00:05:05,439 --> 00:05:04,699 good story except today this will all be 125 00:05:09,939 --> 00:05:05,449 true 126 00:05:13,050 --> 00:05:09,949 all right so but that's that's kind of 127 00:05:15,580 --> 00:05:13,060 how it is so well I was just saying that 128 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:15,590 when I got tipped off about the the 129 00:05:20,439 --> 00:05:18,050 Nimitz Encounters I reached out to a 130 00:05:23,590 --> 00:05:20,449 bunch of people they all kind of pointed 131 00:05:25,629 --> 00:05:23,600 to you everybody spoke about you with 132 00:05:27,430 --> 00:05:25,639 reverence that you know this is a 133 00:05:29,770 --> 00:05:27,440 straight shooter this is the guy not 134 00:05:33,249 --> 00:05:29,780 only with the closest and most direct 135 00:05:35,499 --> 00:05:33,259 and personal eyewitness experience of 136 00:05:37,629 --> 00:05:35,509 engaging the phenomenon engaging this 137 00:05:40,270 --> 00:05:37,639 vehicle before we go there 138 00:05:42,460 --> 00:05:40,280 just everybody referred to you as this 139 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:42,470 credible individual who's a straight 140 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:44,090 shooter and you're gonna have no chance 141 00:05:46,930 --> 00:05:45,289 at hell of talking with him 142 00:05:48,490 --> 00:05:46,940 you got a talk pilot and they're trying 143 00:05:50,909 --> 00:05:48,500 to coach me how to call you like Paco 144 00:05:56,230 --> 00:05:50,919 hey trying to coach we had to call you 145 00:05:59,200 --> 00:05:56,240 you know at that time you didn't really 146 00:06:01,629 --> 00:05:59,210 realized how important to people like 147 00:06:04,270 --> 00:06:01,639 people here around the world your 148 00:06:05,740 --> 00:06:04,280 experience was you kind of pushed me off 149 00:06:07,659 --> 00:06:05,750 and I was like dude this is coming out 150 00:06:09,490 --> 00:06:07,669 it's coming out big sometime it might 151 00:06:11,980 --> 00:06:09,500 not be this year but it'll be next and 152 00:06:13,750 --> 00:06:11,990 that happened it happened to you your 153 00:06:16,510 --> 00:06:13,760 face was plastered all around the media 154 00:06:19,089 --> 00:06:16,520 George has done numerous news reports on 155 00:06:21,100 --> 00:06:19,099 your story so I just want to know as a 156 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:21,110 human being as somebody that everybody 157 00:06:27,879 --> 00:06:24,770 finds extremely credible what is that 158 00:06:31,450 --> 00:06:27,889 like to go from anonymous individual 159 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:31,460 pretty much to being plastered all over 160 00:06:35,850 --> 00:06:33,530 the global media what does that feel 161 00:06:39,870 --> 00:06:35,860 like to someone like you 162 00:06:42,909 --> 00:06:39,880 so funny so I got to fill in some gaps 163 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:42,919 so my friend Paco has a blog it's called 164 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:44,090 fighters sweep I don't know I mean 165 00:06:47,649 --> 00:06:45,650 anyone out there red fire sweep 166 00:06:49,629 --> 00:06:47,659 there's no he's the first one that wrote 167 00:06:51,670 --> 00:06:49,639 about this that's how Jeremy found it he 168 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:51,680 bugged me and bugged me and bugged me so 169 00:06:55,149 --> 00:06:53,210 one of the guys I used to fly with in 170 00:06:56,890 --> 00:06:55,159 a-sixes we're all friends 171 00:06:59,529 --> 00:06:56,900 because Paco was a six guy with me so he 172 00:07:01,779 --> 00:06:59,539 I was talking to this guy Matt Matt goes 173 00:07:03,700 --> 00:07:01,789 back tells Paco Paco calls me and he's 174 00:07:05,230 --> 00:07:03,710 obsessed with it he's like really I got 175 00:07:07,990 --> 00:07:05,240 to know about this so I call him back 176 00:07:08,830 --> 00:07:08,000 one day I said hey would you need and he 177 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:08,840 goes hang on I'm putting you on 178 00:07:12,010 --> 00:07:10,610 speakerphone I said you're what he says 179 00:07:13,700 --> 00:07:12,020 I'm putting on speakerphone I said why 180 00:07:17,780 --> 00:07:13,710 says well I'm having a dinner party 181 00:07:19,999 --> 00:07:17,790 you got to tell the story so so so I 182 00:07:21,439 --> 00:07:20,009 laugh and I tell a story then he starts 183 00:07:22,700 --> 00:07:21,449 bugging me he wants to write about he 184 00:07:26,450 --> 00:07:22,710 wants to write about must write about it 185 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:26,460 I'm like no no no no no and like like my 186 00:07:29,499 --> 00:07:27,810 kids you pester long enough I'll 187 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:29,509 eventually give in just to shut you up 188 00:07:33,469 --> 00:07:32,490 so I let him do it and then next thing 189 00:07:35,060 --> 00:07:33,479 you know he calls me and he says hey 190 00:07:37,279 --> 00:07:35,070 there's a guy wants to talk to you and 191 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:37,289 I'm I'm actually kind of quiet you know 192 00:07:40,909 --> 00:07:38,970 in my real life I like to have my 193 00:07:42,529 --> 00:07:40,919 privacy so he says hey will you talk to 194 00:07:45,550 --> 00:07:42,539 this guy so I said yeah that was Jeremy 195 00:07:49,700 --> 00:07:45,560 and Jeremy I had been talking for God 196 00:07:50,750 --> 00:07:49,710 about no longer than that well yeah it's 197 00:07:53,629 --> 00:07:50,760 about seven or eight years we've been 198 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:53,639 talking so so significant amount of time 199 00:07:56,540 --> 00:07:55,410 then him and I have been going back and 200 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:56,550 forth and he kept saying oh this is 201 00:07:59,810 --> 00:07:57,690 gonna be big hey I want to do is to 202 00:08:03,110 --> 00:07:59,820 reckon know just like Bob like no no no 203 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:03,120 no no so what happens is there was four 204 00:08:05,570 --> 00:08:04,770 of us and we're going to get into it but 205 00:08:07,909 --> 00:08:05,580 there's four of us that actually 206 00:08:10,850 --> 00:08:07,919 visually saw this thing for over five 207 00:08:11,810 --> 00:08:10,860 minutes okay so it's not well we'll talk 208 00:08:13,790 --> 00:08:11,820 about all the videos and I'll give you 209 00:08:15,620 --> 00:08:13,800 guys all specifics so you'll be first 210 00:08:16,430 --> 00:08:15,630 person here safety so you can go I heard 211 00:08:20,390 --> 00:08:16,440 it from him 212 00:08:24,020 --> 00:08:20,400 all right so then you'll be credible not 213 00:08:25,460 --> 00:08:24,030 everyone is credible right so I even 214 00:08:28,310 --> 00:08:25,470 forgotten that right tell the story 215 00:08:29,719 --> 00:08:28,320 what is okay so we go out and there's 216 00:08:33,380 --> 00:08:29,729 four of us that actually saw this thing 217 00:08:36,050 --> 00:08:33,390 and you want to do a story yeah 218 00:08:38,570 --> 00:08:36,060 let's jump in have a jump in the deep 219 00:08:42,050 --> 00:08:38,580 water so here's actually what happened 220 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:42,060 so it was 2004 I had just taken over the 221 00:08:47,690 --> 00:08:45,050 squadron I took over about October 16th 222 00:08:49,070 --> 00:08:47,700 so when we go get ready to go on cruise 223 00:08:50,420 --> 00:08:49,080 to go over to the Persian Gulf we do 224 00:08:52,699 --> 00:08:50,430 what's called work ups we run a two 225 00:08:54,680 --> 00:08:52,709 month workup cycle off of San Diego 226 00:08:57,350 --> 00:08:54,690 there's areas out there you can pull up 227 00:08:59,570 --> 00:08:57,360 any aviation sharp they're big blue 228 00:09:01,850 --> 00:08:59,580 boxes and they're called whiskey areas 229 00:09:04,220 --> 00:09:01,860 they're not classified they're not 230 00:09:06,019 --> 00:09:04,230 secret anyone can go out there all it is 231 00:09:08,300 --> 00:09:06,029 is it's called a warning area and it's 232 00:09:09,410 --> 00:09:08,310 an advisory to any other traffic or 233 00:09:11,420 --> 00:09:09,420 airplanes that want to go out there that 234 00:09:14,510 --> 00:09:11,430 there's a high concentration of military 235 00:09:16,130 --> 00:09:14,520 activity because we train ok there's 236 00:09:17,750 --> 00:09:16,140 also things off the coast in certain 237 00:09:19,610 --> 00:09:17,760 areas called restricted areas and those 238 00:09:22,010 --> 00:09:19,620 you cannot go in unless you're talking 239 00:09:23,300 --> 00:09:22,020 to someone that's where we do test like 240 00:09:25,010 --> 00:09:23,310 off of Vandenberg when they're doing 241 00:09:26,540 --> 00:09:25,020 missile shoots and stuff they activate 242 00:09:27,100 --> 00:09:26,550 the restricted area snow airplanes are 243 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:27,110 in their flight 244 00:09:30,830 --> 00:09:29,250 so we're in a warning area it's off San 245 00:09:31,910 --> 00:09:30,840 Diego they're out there right now I 246 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:31,920 guarantee right now there's probably 247 00:09:35,570 --> 00:09:33,450 ship out there and people are flying 248 00:09:37,250 --> 00:09:35,580 around doing stuff and we were doing 249 00:09:38,990 --> 00:09:37,260 work ups with the cruiser which is the 250 00:09:40,190 --> 00:09:39,000 USS Princeton which is an Aegis class 251 00:09:42,070 --> 00:09:40,200 cruiser which has one of the most 252 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:42,080 sophisticated radar systems in the world 253 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:44,250 and we're gonna go do some it's called 254 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:47,490 air defense so the marine squadron vm 255 00:09:53,870 --> 00:09:50,970 fat32 they're gonna be the bad guys we 256 00:09:55,130 --> 00:09:53,880 call them red air and me and my other 257 00:09:57,260 --> 00:09:55,140 airplane are gonna be the good guys 258 00:09:59,120 --> 00:09:57,270 where the blue air so they set up what's 259 00:10:00,650 --> 00:09:59,130 called cap points it's called cap stands 260 00:10:03,020 --> 00:10:00,660 for combat air patrol and it's where 261 00:10:04,250 --> 00:10:03,030 we're holding so we go about 40 miles 262 00:10:05,510 --> 00:10:04,260 south of the ship and the Marines are 263 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:05,520 gonna go about a hundred miles south of 264 00:10:08,060 --> 00:10:06,570 the ship and then they're gonna prove 265 00:10:09,410 --> 00:10:08,070 they're gonna act like bad guys and come 266 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:09,420 at us and we're gonna intercept them and 267 00:10:13,070 --> 00:10:11,490 we're gonna help train the guys not only 268 00:10:14,450 --> 00:10:13,080 us but we're also training the guys on 269 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:14,460 the cruiser there to do in the control 270 00:10:19,490 --> 00:10:17,250 so we take off the other airplanes 271 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:19,500 joining up and the USS Princeton calls 272 00:10:23,210 --> 00:10:22,050 me up cause I was probably fast to Eagle 273 00:10:25,730 --> 00:10:23,220 because that's what we went by they say 274 00:10:28,130 --> 00:10:25,740 hey fast Eagle you know this is 275 00:10:29,300 --> 00:10:28,140 so-and-so you know USS Princeton I'm 276 00:10:30,650 --> 00:10:29,310 like what do you need and they goes hey 277 00:10:32,150 --> 00:10:30,660 what ordnance you got on board and I 278 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:32,160 started kind of laughing and I said well 279 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:34,410 I got a can of nine which if you look at 280 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:35,850 any picture of a military airplane 281 00:10:39,020 --> 00:10:37,530 flying around in US airspace there's 282 00:10:41,570 --> 00:10:39,030 usually a missile hanging on the wingtip 283 00:10:43,730 --> 00:10:41,580 they're usually blue blue means inert 284 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:43,740 it's actually just a big hollow tube but 285 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:45,210 the seeker head on it is real because 286 00:10:48,950 --> 00:10:47,250 that gives us feedback if we're locking 287 00:10:51,290 --> 00:10:48,960 on so when you watch the Top Gun and 288 00:10:54,890 --> 00:10:51,300 they go I got tone that's the tone 289 00:10:57,680 --> 00:10:54,900 that's provided okay so I got this he 290 00:10:58,790 --> 00:10:57,690 says well I said with a hammer you can 291 00:11:00,079 --> 00:10:58,800 get it off because you got to beat it 292 00:11:02,270 --> 00:11:00,089 off or you got to have the key to unlock 293 00:11:03,950 --> 00:11:02,280 it and take it off so he says well hey 294 00:11:06,290 --> 00:11:03,960 we're gonna cancel training and we're 295 00:11:08,450 --> 00:11:06,300 gonna go to a real world operation so 296 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:08,460 we're thinking hey off the coast of 297 00:11:16,570 --> 00:11:12,050 Mexico real world operation drug runners 298 00:11:18,860 --> 00:11:16,580 yeah yes we're like oh I'm in on that so 299 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:18,870 they give us a vector which is a heading 300 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:20,850 so they say hey it's two seven zero and 301 00:11:25,010 --> 00:11:22,650 they give what's called a bra call which 302 00:11:27,290 --> 00:11:25,020 is bearing range in altitude so they 303 00:11:30,530 --> 00:11:27,300 said hey it's two seven zero at like 60 304 00:11:32,390 --> 00:11:30,540 miles 20,000 feet so we go out and we've 305 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:32,400 got our radars looking on the radar it's 306 00:11:35,780 --> 00:11:34,050 a mechanically scanned radar sorry I'm 307 00:11:36,900 --> 00:11:35,790 just it's a habit so the radars doing 308 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:36,910 this 309 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:38,770 and we're looking out and we're not 310 00:11:43,950 --> 00:11:40,570 seeing anything and they're calling 40 311 00:11:45,540 --> 00:11:43,960 miles 30 miles 20 miles 10 miles and 312 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:45,550 we're just saying what we're clean which 313 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:46,570 means we don't see anything we're 314 00:11:50,370 --> 00:11:47,890 getting no indications of anything out 315 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:50,380 there so when they get to a point where 316 00:11:53,490 --> 00:11:51,370 they say when 317 00:11:55,860 --> 00:11:53,500 so radars have they're called resolution 318 00:11:57,810 --> 00:11:55,870 cells so think of your camera if you 319 00:11:59,370 --> 00:11:57,820 have like a really high megapixel camera 320 00:12:00,840 --> 00:11:59,380 you can see real good details and if you 321 00:12:02,850 --> 00:12:00,850 have a low megapixel you can't see it 322 00:12:04,650 --> 00:12:02,860 those think of those as resolution cells 323 00:12:07,020 --> 00:12:04,660 so this is basically the radar going I 324 00:12:08,790 --> 00:12:07,030 can't tell the difference between the 325 00:12:10,890 --> 00:12:08,800 blip that you were going after and you 326 00:12:13,230 --> 00:12:10,900 because all we are to him is blips right 327 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:13,240 so we keep moving moving moving we have 328 00:12:18,180 --> 00:12:15,250 numbers by us because we were reporting 329 00:12:20,940 --> 00:12:18,190 back so we get out there he calls merge 330 00:12:23,070 --> 00:12:20,950 plot so we're in the airplane my wingman 331 00:12:24,630 --> 00:12:23,080 is off to the left-hand side and when 332 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:24,640 they call merge plot we say it's doing 333 00:12:30,180 --> 00:12:25,930 the Stevie Wonder so you start doing 334 00:12:32,370 --> 00:12:30,190 this because now it's somewhere around 335 00:12:34,170 --> 00:12:32,380 you and they're not helping find it 336 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:34,180 because you're in the same you know 337 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:36,970 you're in the same room so as we look 338 00:12:41,190 --> 00:12:39,610 off the right-hand side you know and 339 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:41,200 this is I got I got a start I got a 340 00:12:49,020 --> 00:12:45,730 camera this is a clear no clouds perfect 341 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:49,030 Southern California day light wind 342 00:12:58,350 --> 00:12:54,850 no Whitecaps blue water blue sky if you 343 00:13:01,710 --> 00:12:58,360 have a sailboat really nice we did not I 344 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:01,720 was on a big gray boat so we look down 345 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:03,370 we're looking around and as I look off 346 00:13:08,190 --> 00:13:05,890 the right side we see something that's 347 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:08,200 causing the waves to break so got any 348 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:10,930 sailors in here so if you've heard my 349 00:13:13,830 --> 00:13:12,370 Nazi and you've seen a seamount that 350 00:13:15,810 --> 00:13:13,840 submerge like six feet under the water 351 00:13:17,610 --> 00:13:15,820 if anyone's been out to the coast and 352 00:13:18,690 --> 00:13:17,620 watched it where you see the waves will 353 00:13:20,130 --> 00:13:18,700 break and you'll be like why is that 354 00:13:21,090 --> 00:13:20,140 white water out there's a rock under 355 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:21,100 there the waves are coming out and 356 00:13:26,940 --> 00:13:23,050 breaking so there's a lot of sea mounts 357 00:13:27,990 --> 00:13:26,950 out off the coast of San Diego so we 358 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:28,000 start saying oh that's probably a sea 359 00:13:32,460 --> 00:13:29,650 mount and we're looking down now picture 360 00:13:35,370 --> 00:13:32,470 it's it looks the disturbance the white 361 00:13:37,470 --> 00:13:35,380 water is kind of about the size of a 737 362 00:13:39,690 --> 00:13:37,480 airplane so think of a kind of a cross 363 00:13:41,670 --> 00:13:39,700 like if you took a 737 pointed it to the 364 00:13:43,710 --> 00:13:41,680 east and dropped it in so four o'clock 365 00:13:46,710 --> 00:13:43,720 it's in the middle point towards three 366 00:13:47,850 --> 00:13:46,720 o'clock so as we look down I'm kind of 367 00:13:48,940 --> 00:13:47,860 like looking at the white water going 368 00:13:52,510 --> 00:13:48,950 what's that and it draw 369 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:52,520 eyes on to the tic-tac so the guy in the 370 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:53,810 backseat of the other airplane because 371 00:13:59,200 --> 00:13:56,090 f-18s these are super hornets brand-new 372 00:14:00,910 --> 00:13:59,210 - right out of factory the guy you know 373 00:14:02,680 --> 00:14:00,920 so we have a backseater so the guy in 374 00:14:04,180 --> 00:14:02,690 the back CDL jet says hey skipper 375 00:14:05,950 --> 00:14:04,190 because that's what they called me you 376 00:14:08,470 --> 00:14:05,960 go hey skipper do you and I kind of 377 00:14:10,390 --> 00:14:08,480 finish the sentence dude do you see that 378 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:10,400 and we're watching this little white 379 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:12,290 object and it's oriented north-south and 380 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:15,050 it's going like this and it's not it 381 00:14:17,890 --> 00:14:16,370 doesn't like a helicopter would do this 382 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:17,900 so the first thing we see it what do you 383 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:19,730 think helicopter right there's a white 384 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:21,410 thing down there so what do you do when 385 00:14:24,820 --> 00:14:22,730 you see a helicopter because I've seen 386 00:14:26,590 --> 00:14:24,830 them a gazillion times there's a rotor 387 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:26,600 wash that comes off of them right you'll 388 00:14:29,140 --> 00:14:27,890 start seeing the water it kind of beats 389 00:14:31,450 --> 00:14:29,150 the water down below it and you'll see 390 00:14:33,310 --> 00:14:31,460 there's no mist it's just doing this 391 00:14:34,750 --> 00:14:33,320 it's kind of going up and down like the 392 00:14:36,310 --> 00:14:34,760 the southern little thing that came off 393 00:14:37,900 --> 00:14:36,320 the object and it goes up and goes left 394 00:14:39,010 --> 00:14:37,910 goes right but normally when a 395 00:14:40,270 --> 00:14:39,020 helicopter does that kinda goes like 396 00:14:41,350 --> 00:14:40,280 this and in it when it's trying to go 397 00:14:42,670 --> 00:14:41,360 the other way it'll you know kind of 398 00:14:43,660 --> 00:14:42,680 slide a little bit because inertia and 399 00:14:46,900 --> 00:14:43,670 then it'll go back to there it doesn't 400 00:14:48,250 --> 00:14:46,910 do that goes to real abrupt so we're 401 00:14:49,750 --> 00:14:48,260 kind of driving around the circle we get 402 00:14:51,310 --> 00:14:49,760 over to about the nine o'clock position 403 00:14:53,950 --> 00:14:51,320 we're still at 20,000 feet they're 404 00:14:56,140 --> 00:14:53,960 sitting over here I said I'm gonna go 405 00:15:00,070 --> 00:14:56,150 check it out the other airplane said I'm 406 00:15:01,450 --> 00:15:00,080 gonna stay up here I said I said yeah 407 00:15:03,490 --> 00:15:01,460 you stay up here you take high cover 408 00:15:05,830 --> 00:15:03,500 just watch us so now they can watch both 409 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:05,840 me and the thing I'm gonna see how close 410 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:08,210 I get this thing so we keep going and I 411 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:10,970 start a nice easy descent you know not 412 00:15:15,580 --> 00:15:12,890 not necessarily cautious because of the 413 00:15:16,870 --> 00:15:15,590 object but you can really lose how high 414 00:15:18,910 --> 00:15:16,880 you are over the water because it looks 415 00:15:21,460 --> 00:15:18,920 the same at a hundred feet as it does at 416 00:15:22,990 --> 00:15:21,470 10,000 feet so you can and I wouldn't be 417 00:15:25,870 --> 00:15:23,000 the first one to try and fly through it 418 00:15:27,490 --> 00:15:25,880 doesn't work so I get to about the 12 419 00:15:30,130 --> 00:15:27,500 o'clock position the objects still doing 420 00:15:33,730 --> 00:15:30,140 this right it's about 50 feet off the 421 00:15:36,430 --> 00:15:33,740 water so this is important to note the 422 00:15:38,230 --> 00:15:36,440 ship at the time the radar can't see it 423 00:15:40,690 --> 00:15:38,240 couldn't possibly see it because of the 424 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:40,700 radar horizon because contrary to some 425 00:15:45,430 --> 00:15:42,290 people in California - earth is round 426 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:45,440 it is not surrounded by an ice wall it's 427 00:15:50,230 --> 00:15:48,050 round alright so when you get so far 428 00:15:51,580 --> 00:15:50,240 away you can't see around it all right 429 00:15:53,260 --> 00:15:51,590 so we're far enough away 430 00:15:55,310 --> 00:15:53,270 we're probably 60 70 miles away from the 431 00:15:58,220 --> 00:15:55,320 cruiser it's down here 432 00:16:01,160 --> 00:15:58,230 we're up here so we're descending and we 433 00:16:03,949 --> 00:16:01,170 get to about the 12 o'clock it goes just 434 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:03,959 like this and starts coming up reacting 435 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:05,250 to you oh yeah 436 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:08,690 good definitely so I'm like woo alright 437 00:16:13,430 --> 00:16:11,130 so we keep coming down and it keeps 438 00:16:14,930 --> 00:16:13,440 coming up can we go all the way around 439 00:16:16,460 --> 00:16:14,940 the circle until I get over to about the 440 00:16:19,579 --> 00:16:16,470 8 o'clock position by now I'm probably 441 00:16:21,259 --> 00:16:19,589 around estimate this is recall from 442 00:16:23,749 --> 00:16:21,269 almost 15 years ago about prob about 443 00:16:26,329 --> 00:16:23,759 15,000 feet and the object is somewhere 444 00:16:27,980 --> 00:16:26,339 around probably 12,000 feet so I'm 445 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:27,990 getting closer and it's about a mile 446 00:16:31,129 --> 00:16:29,370 across so we're in a circle we're just 447 00:16:32,689 --> 00:16:31,139 driving around everyone did that as kids 448 00:16:34,370 --> 00:16:32,699 you know keep running around the circle 449 00:16:37,249 --> 00:16:34,380 and you keep you'll do it all day long 450 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:37,259 until they tire themselves out there's 451 00:16:43,490 --> 00:16:40,050 always that kid that cheats so what you 452 00:16:45,590 --> 00:16:43,500 do cut across a circle so I go like this 453 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:45,600 I drop my nose it's called an aggressive 454 00:16:49,009 --> 00:16:47,370 nose low manoeuvre and I go across so 455 00:16:51,290 --> 00:16:49,019 I'm going instead of around I'm going 456 00:16:54,110 --> 00:16:51,300 around this way and I'm thinking so it's 457 00:16:55,730 --> 00:16:54,120 here it's here and I'm gonna try and get 458 00:16:58,759 --> 00:16:55,740 over and get it so I start pulling 459 00:17:00,410 --> 00:16:58,769 across a circle it's coming up gets in 460 00:17:02,569 --> 00:17:00,420 front of my nose you see it start to 461 00:17:07,069 --> 00:17:02,579 accelerate and it goes poof and it's 462 00:17:08,510 --> 00:17:07,079 gone so then you go alright I'm kind of 463 00:17:11,270 --> 00:17:08,520 weirded out actually told my backseater 464 00:17:13,039 --> 00:17:11,280 I go woo I asked the guy that plane up 465 00:17:14,809 --> 00:17:13,049 above us I said hey do you see it and 466 00:17:17,929 --> 00:17:14,819 they said no it just disappeared 467 00:17:20,030 --> 00:17:17,939 I'm like ok a little bit weirded out so 468 00:17:21,530 --> 00:17:20,040 we turn around I said well let's turn 469 00:17:23,449 --> 00:17:21,540 around let's go see what was you know 470 00:17:25,579 --> 00:17:23,459 look lowest causing the water to turn 471 00:17:29,030 --> 00:17:25,589 white so he turn around so we're right 472 00:17:32,899 --> 00:17:29,040 there it's not it's gone there's no 473 00:17:34,970 --> 00:17:32,909 white water oh tic-tac no nothing so we 474 00:17:36,289 --> 00:17:34,980 turned back round in a whole time we're 475 00:17:37,549 --> 00:17:36,299 talking to the cruiser and I'll fill in 476 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:37,559 some of the details here in a sec so we 477 00:17:42,409 --> 00:17:40,290 turn around and I'm like well because 478 00:17:45,169 --> 00:17:42,419 I'm the boss okay we gotta go get some 479 00:17:47,060 --> 00:17:45,179 training right so let's go so we start 480 00:17:49,460 --> 00:17:47,070 flying back to our cap point which is 481 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:49,470 about 60 miles away and the controller 482 00:17:51,830 --> 00:17:51,210 comes up it says sir you're not gonna 483 00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:51,840 believe this 484 00:17:56,060 --> 00:17:54,000 that's what he said that thing it's at 485 00:18:00,440 --> 00:17:56,070 your cap point just hanging out 20,000 486 00:18:02,899 --> 00:18:00,450 feet so I'm like okay so we get up we 487 00:18:05,149 --> 00:18:02,909 drive we never see it we never see it on 488 00:18:07,399 --> 00:18:05,159 radar never saw it on radar ever only 489 00:18:08,470 --> 00:18:07,409 saw it visually we do a couple of 490 00:18:11,230 --> 00:18:08,480 intercepts we come 491 00:18:15,789 --> 00:18:11,240 back to the Nimitz and land strangest 492 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:15,799 day of my entire life right so we come 493 00:18:19,060 --> 00:18:17,090 back and land and we have a thing called 494 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:19,070 a it's the parallel office where we 495 00:18:23,169 --> 00:18:21,410 store our flight gear so he come inside 496 00:18:24,909 --> 00:18:23,179 we're taking off the gear and the four 497 00:18:25,659 --> 00:18:24,919 of us are talking about this like oh my 498 00:18:27,549 --> 00:18:25,669 god what was that 499 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:27,559 well another of my crews is getting 500 00:18:31,090 --> 00:18:29,570 ready to launch and they're listening to 501 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:31,100 us listen to us and the backseater 502 00:18:34,210 --> 00:18:32,330 decided hey I'm gonna go try and find 503 00:18:35,620 --> 00:18:34,220 this thing he knew where our cap points 504 00:18:38,590 --> 00:18:35,630 were at because we use them over and 505 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:38,600 over for the training and so he takes 506 00:18:42,789 --> 00:18:41,090 off we have no out you know we're in 507 00:18:45,100 --> 00:18:42,799 doing our debrief you know trying to 508 00:18:46,270 --> 00:18:45,110 figure out what we just saw he goes and 509 00:18:49,780 --> 00:18:46,280 flies hour and a half later he comes 510 00:18:51,010 --> 00:18:49,790 back and he had walked into Intel 511 00:18:53,500 --> 00:18:51,020 because we have to go into intelligence 512 00:18:54,669 --> 00:18:53,510 and debrief and the back Cedars go do 513 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:54,679 that and they're like you know hey we 514 00:18:59,200 --> 00:18:56,770 saw this thing we don't know what it was 515 00:19:02,680 --> 00:18:59,210 they're like great and they're making 516 00:19:05,260 --> 00:19:02,690 fun of us of course and so when he walks 517 00:19:07,510 --> 00:19:05,270 in they go vfa 41 see any see any UFOs 518 00:19:09,220 --> 00:19:07,520 and the backseater goes as a matter of 519 00:19:11,950 --> 00:19:09,230 fact I did and he drops the tape which 520 00:19:16,780 --> 00:19:11,960 is the the minute 30 second video that 521 00:19:17,950 --> 00:19:16,790 you guys see so kind of cool that we had 522 00:19:19,810 --> 00:19:17,960 the video and then he brought it down to 523 00:19:21,820 --> 00:19:19,820 the ready room and there's actually two 524 00:19:23,409 --> 00:19:21,830 tapes there's a radar tape and then the 525 00:19:26,049 --> 00:19:23,419 targeting flare tape the radar tape you 526 00:19:27,370 --> 00:19:26,059 guys have never seen and no one probably 527 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:27,380 will ever see it because we don't know 528 00:19:31,060 --> 00:19:27,890 where it's all at 529 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:31,070 and then the stuff that was on taking 530 00:19:36,340 --> 00:19:32,570 off of a classified Drive and put on 531 00:19:38,860 --> 00:19:36,350 YouTube and some other things so and 532 00:19:40,810 --> 00:19:38,870 that is a story so besides catching a 533 00:19:41,710 --> 00:19:40,820 lot of stuff and I'll let these guys 534 00:19:43,870 --> 00:19:41,720 because I know they got some leading 535 00:19:45,970 --> 00:19:43,880 questions but that's kind of what we saw 536 00:19:48,549 --> 00:19:45,980 so it wasn't a fleeting thing it wasn't 537 00:19:50,500 --> 00:19:48,559 a weather balloon it was an object I got 538 00:19:52,630 --> 00:19:50,510 a lot of experience I looked at it for 539 00:19:55,390 --> 00:19:52,640 over five minutes and I chased it I got 540 00:19:57,250 --> 00:19:55,400 within a half mile of it and it had no 541 00:19:58,780 --> 00:19:57,260 wings it had no rotors you can look in 542 00:20:00,159 --> 00:19:58,790 the video it had no known propulsion 543 00:20:02,340 --> 00:20:00,169 system there's no plume coming out 544 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:02,350 there's no heat signature no nothing and 545 00:20:06,700 --> 00:20:05,210 so we had talked to the cruiser why 546 00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:06,710 we're doing all this and the young 547 00:20:11,140 --> 00:20:08,720 controller and it's not the one that's 548 00:20:12,549 --> 00:20:11,150 public and talking all the time now but 549 00:20:14,049 --> 00:20:12,559 it's probably a kid who was a second 550 00:20:17,890 --> 00:20:14,059 class Petty Officer hits a supervisor 551 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:17,900 that keeps talking he said I said well 552 00:20:20,590 --> 00:20:19,250 you know what is this he said well sir 553 00:20:21,630 --> 00:20:20,600 we've been tracking these things up to 554 00:20:25,710 --> 00:20:21,640 ten of them 555 00:20:27,090 --> 00:20:25,720 last two weeks and this is the first 556 00:20:29,580 --> 00:20:27,100 time we had manned airplanes airborne 557 00:20:31,350 --> 00:20:29,590 when it showed up you know I think 558 00:20:32,789 --> 00:20:31,360 whoever it was flying the thing probably 559 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:32,799 got in trouble with their boss because 560 00:20:38,090 --> 00:20:34,090 they weren't supposed to be seeing and 561 00:20:42,620 --> 00:20:38,100 we saw but that's a different story so 562 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:42,630 so yeah we I don't know it's it's 563 00:20:45,780 --> 00:20:45,010 there's a lot there's a lot of stuff and 564 00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:45,790 I know these guys are asked questions 565 00:20:48,539 --> 00:20:46,960 about it there's a lot of stuff out 566 00:20:50,340 --> 00:20:48,549 there that we're going to talk about but 567 00:20:52,260 --> 00:20:50,350 they had been coming down from above 568 00:20:54,210 --> 00:20:52,270 eighty thousand come down hang out at 569 00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:54,220 20,000 for about three hours and I go 570 00:20:58,289 --> 00:20:57,130 straight back up right so we just 571 00:20:59,940 --> 00:20:58,299 happened to be out there one when I was 572 00:21:01,590 --> 00:20:59,950 there and I'm sitting in front of y'all 573 00:21:10,650 --> 00:21:01,600 here and make me in Vellore again 574 00:21:12,360 --> 00:21:10,660 talking about it did you uh who's the 575 00:21:14,250 --> 00:21:12,370 person who's the first person to call it 576 00:21:16,590 --> 00:21:14,260 a tic-tac and can you describe it a 577 00:21:20,610 --> 00:21:16,600 little bit up more detail about what you 578 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:20,620 saw you bet I don't know neutralized 579 00:21:24,419 --> 00:21:23,290 I don't spray all of us cuz there people 580 00:21:26,340 --> 00:21:24,429 are like what it looked like and I gotta 581 00:21:27,930 --> 00:21:26,350 look like a tic-tac and then people go 582 00:21:29,700 --> 00:21:27,940 what did it really look like I go go get 583 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:29,710 a box of Tic Tacs take one out and go 584 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:32,770 make it forty feet long and he's seen it 585 00:21:38,610 --> 00:21:35,290 seeing ghostbusters it's a Twinkie and 586 00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:38,620 it weighs 500 pounds it's a tic-tac 587 00:21:42,299 --> 00:21:41,200 flies really fast and it's about 40 feet 588 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:42,309 long and then they go how do you know 589 00:21:45,690 --> 00:21:43,570 it's about 40 feet long like I don't 590 00:21:47,010 --> 00:21:45,700 know I've been flying for 16 years I 591 00:21:48,419 --> 00:21:47,020 know about the size of a fighter I know 592 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:48,429 how close I got to it and I know how big 593 00:21:52,919 --> 00:21:49,330 it looked and I'm like it's probably 594 00:21:56,159 --> 00:21:52,929 about 40 feet long so there you go but 595 00:21:57,120 --> 00:21:56,169 smooth white there's actually you can't 596 00:21:59,659 --> 00:21:57,130 see it in the video that you guys 597 00:22:01,860 --> 00:21:59,669 because it's been copied so many times 598 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:01,870 so we bring these things back to record 599 00:22:05,220 --> 00:22:03,610 it on high eight and the video is taken 600 00:22:08,730 --> 00:22:05,230 directly off the back of the feed to the 601 00:22:11,580 --> 00:22:08,740 displays that we see in the cockpit it's 602 00:22:13,919 --> 00:22:11,590 and then we look at it on a big TV right 603 00:22:15,690 --> 00:22:13,929 just normal TV so it's just a high eight 604 00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:15,700 we had eight mil stuff so we have the 605 00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:16,960 two tapes we can look at them both the 606 00:22:19,860 --> 00:22:18,400 synced up we can do all kinds of cool 607 00:22:21,690 --> 00:22:19,870 things with it but so you put it in it 608 00:22:23,250 --> 00:22:21,700 actually when he gets close cuz when it 609 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:23,260 you see everyone's seen a video do you 610 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:24,850 guys know the right video it's the 611 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:26,530 boring one with no voices it just sits 612 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:28,330 in the middle screen and in minute 30 613 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:30,250 later it flies off the side that's the 614 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:33,490 video okay so it starts black with a 615 00:22:37,660 --> 00:22:34,850 little white tic-tac in the middle 616 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:37,670 okay that's infrared so the differences 617 00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:40,010 in color are temperature so the sky is 618 00:22:44,110 --> 00:22:42,320 black the tic-tac is white because it's 619 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:44,120 hotter than this guy so it's obviously 620 00:22:47,890 --> 00:22:46,010 got some heat to it which soup when it 621 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:47,900 switches to white with the little black 622 00:22:52,750 --> 00:22:50,810 tic-tac in the middle or gray that's yo 623 00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:52,760 that's TV it's black an white TV camera 624 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:55,760 okay what the what the whiz oh that's a 625 00:22:57,820 --> 00:22:56,810 weapons system the operator in the 626 00:22:59,230 --> 00:22:57,830 backseat was doing is he was going 627 00:23:01,000 --> 00:22:59,240 through all the modes that he had so 628 00:23:02,860 --> 00:23:01,010 there's there's a narrow medium and wide 629 00:23:04,570 --> 00:23:02,870 field-of-view so it starts in wide and 630 00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:04,580 those little bars on the side of it are 631 00:23:09,130 --> 00:23:07,370 actually the tracking you can go to a 632 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:09,140 little pitch here because I did it for 633 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:11,930 him you go to to the stars and look at 634 00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:13,010 the video and they actually have it 635 00:23:16,510 --> 00:23:14,960 highlight and it shows I told him what 636 00:23:18,790 --> 00:23:16,520 all that stuff was so they did a pretty 637 00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:18,800 good job so if you miss me in this go 638 00:23:21,940 --> 00:23:19,760 watch that and you'll be able to tell 639 00:23:23,770 --> 00:23:21,950 the little bars is it's called a it's a 640 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:23,780 passive track it locks onto that object 641 00:23:27,820 --> 00:23:26,570 based on a pixel difference so that's 642 00:23:29,140 --> 00:23:27,830 when you see it doing this you know the 643 00:23:31,330 --> 00:23:29,150 little bars every time he changes it has 644 00:23:32,890 --> 00:23:31,340 to relock and he reacquires it because 645 00:23:34,360 --> 00:23:32,900 if he doesn't the FLIR will actually 646 00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:34,370 just it'll start to boresight itself 647 00:23:37,690 --> 00:23:36,320 unless it's locked onto something so 648 00:23:39,460 --> 00:23:37,700 he's going through he goes through the 649 00:23:41,740 --> 00:23:39,470 field of view and the the cool thing is 650 00:23:44,860 --> 00:23:41,750 is that the closest the narrow field of 651 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:44,870 view in the IR mode is only the medium 652 00:23:49,150 --> 00:23:47,210 in the TV mode so there's one more step 653 00:23:50,530 --> 00:23:49,160 forward in the TV mode which is right 654 00:23:53,740 --> 00:23:50,540 before it flies off the screen is when 655 00:23:55,420 --> 00:23:53,750 he goes to that so but there is that 656 00:23:56,830 --> 00:23:55,430 that is the video there is there's 657 00:23:58,060 --> 00:23:56,840 nothing being hidden it that's the whole 658 00:24:01,240 --> 00:23:58,070 thing it's about a minute 30 seconds 659 00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:01,250 long not 10 so I just want to get a 660 00:24:04,810 --> 00:24:02,720 little bit of clarification on the 661 00:24:06,340 --> 00:24:04,820 flight characteristics because don't 662 00:24:08,740 --> 00:24:06,350 answer this right away but you know are 663 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:08,750 you sure what you saw was an missile or 664 00:24:13,930 --> 00:24:11,090 some other high-tech test so the way I 665 00:24:15,730 --> 00:24:13,940 would like to phrase that is the flight 666 00:24:17,950 --> 00:24:15,740 characteristics one of the first times 667 00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:17,960 we talked way back in the day you were 668 00:24:23,470 --> 00:24:21,200 explaining to me that it looked like a 669 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:23,480 ping-pong ball inside a glass of water 670 00:24:26,410 --> 00:24:25,130 the way that it would boom-boom-boom 671 00:24:28,780 --> 00:24:26,420 edge to edge so the flight 672 00:24:31,390 --> 00:24:28,790 characteristics of this vehicle you saw 673 00:24:32,650 --> 00:24:31,400 was intelligently controlled and you 674 00:24:34,510 --> 00:24:32,660 know could it have been anything 675 00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:34,520 conventional based upon those flight 676 00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:36,110 characteristics would you talk with bob 677 00:24:42,610 --> 00:24:38,480 lazar last night a lot about so please 678 00:24:45,310 --> 00:24:42,620 talk on that so we have this thing that 679 00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:45,320 kind of rules us it's called physics 680 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:50,000 I know the coyote never studied law or 681 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:52,850 was Bugs Bunny so the laws of physics 682 00:24:56,860 --> 00:24:54,410 I'm probably dating myself because I 683 00:25:01,090 --> 00:24:56,870 watch Looney Tunes as a kid or maybe I 684 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:01,100 still do so there's it's called inertia 685 00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:02,570 when an object's moving one way you have 686 00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:04,130 to overcome that force to go the other 687 00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:06,320 way this thing kind of defied that now 688 00:25:10,900 --> 00:25:08,240 granted you could do stuff limited but 689 00:25:12,340 --> 00:25:10,910 for air because it's not it's just like 690 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:12,350 you know people have boats they do the 691 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:14,090 same thing they're not like cars where 692 00:25:17,020 --> 00:25:15,290 you can slam on the brakes 693 00:25:19,060 --> 00:25:17,030 and cars have inertia that's when you go 694 00:25:20,650 --> 00:25:19,070 skidding across the ice or and you know 695 00:25:22,770 --> 00:25:20,660 right before you impact that car because 696 00:25:26,290 --> 00:25:22,780 you were texting 697 00:25:28,150 --> 00:25:26,300 that's inertia ABS has failed you're 698 00:25:29,470 --> 00:25:28,160 going into the bumper this thing 699 00:25:31,330 --> 00:25:29,480 justified all that it was like left 700 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:31,340 right left right for back you know and 701 00:25:34,270 --> 00:25:32,690 then when it when it came when it 702 00:25:37,050 --> 00:25:34,280 decided to come and visit you know and 703 00:25:40,210 --> 00:25:37,060 mirror us it just kind of abruptly went 704 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:40,220 like that past this boom and it started 705 00:25:44,860 --> 00:25:42,410 moving so there's nothing we have 706 00:25:47,950 --> 00:25:44,870 nothing that can literally just stop 707 00:25:49,930 --> 00:25:47,960 twisting and it's going that fast it 708 00:25:51,370 --> 00:25:49,940 just we don't it doesn't do that not in 709 00:25:53,500 --> 00:25:51,380 the air and the way it took off is 710 00:25:55,570 --> 00:25:53,510 another property of the propulsion that 711 00:25:58,780 --> 00:25:55,580 is unique because you told me Jeremy I 712 00:26:00,880 --> 00:25:58,790 didn't see any flares rotors heat 713 00:26:04,330 --> 00:26:00,890 signatures nothing and when it took off 714 00:26:08,350 --> 00:26:04,340 it was like sounds could you explain 715 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:08,360 that to everybody so let's just use 716 00:26:12,190 --> 00:26:10,490 something that's fast so I've had 717 00:26:15,310 --> 00:26:12,200 airplanes we do exercises where they're 718 00:26:17,530 --> 00:26:15,320 doing Mach 1.5 so you can see pretty far 719 00:26:18,670 --> 00:26:17,540 you know you can see 50 60 70 and 720 00:26:22,060 --> 00:26:18,680 actually when you get up and out too you 721 00:26:24,370 --> 00:26:22,070 can see hundreds of miles if an airplane 722 00:26:26,830 --> 00:26:24,380 comes by because I've watched sr-71s 723 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:26,840 when ass was flying I'm coming in from 724 00:26:31,690 --> 00:26:28,490 above sixty thousand feet they had a 725 00:26:33,250 --> 00:26:31,700 they take off out of the Dead NASA had a 726 00:26:34,750 --> 00:26:33,260 facility towards Palmdale and they would 727 00:26:36,730 --> 00:26:34,760 fly this big loop they go up towards the 728 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:36,740 Oregon up here they go up towards 729 00:26:39,460 --> 00:26:38,210 Washington they do a big loop like 730 00:26:41,170 --> 00:26:39,470 Montana Washington they go back down 731 00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:41,180 south because it takes them that much to 732 00:26:46,690 --> 00:26:43,520 turn you can watch him for a while 733 00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:46,700 they're doing like Mach three this thing 734 00:26:50,890 --> 00:26:49,310 disappeared in about that much space in 735 00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:50,900 front of my nose just went poof and was 736 00:26:56,029 --> 00:26:53,600 gone so even if it was doing Mach 3 I'd 737 00:26:58,759 --> 00:26:56,039 have been able to go 738 00:27:01,659 --> 00:26:58,769 goes not catching it but I can still see 739 00:27:03,710 --> 00:27:01,669 it this thing just literally disappeared 740 00:27:04,759 --> 00:27:03,720 and from two different angles cuz you 741 00:27:08,029 --> 00:27:04,769 gotta remember the other airplane is 742 00:27:09,710 --> 00:27:08,039 roughly 8,000 feet above me with a 743 00:27:11,180 --> 00:27:09,720 totally different angle on it and said 744 00:27:12,739 --> 00:27:11,190 the same thing it got in front of your 745 00:27:15,019 --> 00:27:12,749 nose and it just disappeared 746 00:27:17,330 --> 00:27:15,029 so as an expert pilot there the 747 00:27:20,060 --> 00:27:17,340 propulsion this thing was utilizing 748 00:27:22,639 --> 00:27:20,070 without any signature that you have ever 749 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:22,649 seen in other craft this was a unique 750 00:27:30,019 --> 00:27:26,369 propulsion system oh yeah 751 00:27:35,899 --> 00:27:30,029 yeah it was funny cuz leading question 752 00:27:40,099 --> 00:27:35,909 just about so most people were here for 753 00:27:41,810 --> 00:27:40,109 Bob earlier so when he Jeremy did the 754 00:27:44,210 --> 00:27:41,820 piece I saw this before it got released 755 00:27:46,369 --> 00:27:44,220 he sent it to me I'm like wow I called 756 00:27:50,269 --> 00:27:46,379 him I said that pretty much describes 757 00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:50,279 what I saw you know so now you get into 758 00:27:55,369 --> 00:27:52,320 go uh where'd it come from I don't know 759 00:27:56,690 --> 00:27:55,379 good if if not for the thing in the 760 00:27:58,460 --> 00:27:56,700 water you may not have seen it 761 00:28:00,409 --> 00:27:58,470 so that's correct what was in the water 762 00:28:02,570 --> 00:28:00,419 what it wasn't a rock because when you 763 00:28:04,399 --> 00:28:02,580 went back it was gone so what was I have 764 00:28:06,259 --> 00:28:04,409 no idea you know it was a disturbance 765 00:28:07,639 --> 00:28:06,269 there was something below the surface 766 00:28:09,979 --> 00:28:07,649 that was causing the ways to break on 767 00:28:13,999 --> 00:28:09,989 top when we went back we could not find 768 00:28:17,839 --> 00:28:14,009 it at all and this thing a rendezvous 769 00:28:19,159 --> 00:28:17,849 docking you're speculating obviously but 770 00:28:21,409 --> 00:28:19,169 I mean very much there's a relationship 771 00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:21,419 between the tick-tack and what was under 772 00:28:26,269 --> 00:28:23,840 the water I think so 773 00:28:27,739 --> 00:28:26,279 as I told Good Morning America they 774 00:28:29,659 --> 00:28:27,749 asked me and they said I said well it 775 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:29,669 was communicating with the whales like 776 00:28:39,739 --> 00:28:32,970 Star Trek and they actually put that on 777 00:28:41,330 --> 00:28:39,749 their broadcast so so so I don't know 778 00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:41,340 what was down there I don't know if it 779 00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:42,720 was actually communicating but if you 780 00:28:46,159 --> 00:28:44,849 want to speculate that it's that's how 781 00:28:47,869 --> 00:28:46,169 we find it we would have never seen 782 00:28:49,159 --> 00:28:47,879 because it's not that you know you think 783 00:28:51,529 --> 00:28:49,169 god it's 40 feet long it's a white 784 00:28:53,989 --> 00:28:51,539 tic-tac you'd be amazed that things that 785 00:28:56,060 --> 00:28:53,999 you don't see because our eyes are cute 786 00:28:57,139 --> 00:28:56,070 to motion so if it was just sitting 787 00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:57,149 still there's probably a really good 788 00:29:01,489 --> 00:28:58,559 chance we'd never seen it but as it was 789 00:29:03,979 --> 00:29:01,499 doing this that motion tracks you know 790 00:29:06,859 --> 00:29:03,989 you ever watch you guys have rabbits get 791 00:29:08,210 --> 00:29:06,869 coyotes around here when the first thing 792 00:29:09,409 --> 00:29:08,220 the rabbit does when the coyote shows up 793 00:29:11,449 --> 00:29:09,419 is sits there it doesn't move 794 00:29:13,099 --> 00:29:11,459 because the Coyotes actually tracked the 795 00:29:15,499 --> 00:29:13,109 motion if the rabbit runs the Coyotes 796 00:29:17,869 --> 00:29:15,509 locked in they wait till the coyote gets 797 00:29:19,369 --> 00:29:17,879 closer and then they run but sometimes 798 00:29:21,049 --> 00:29:19,379 they'll sit there and then the animals 799 00:29:22,009 --> 00:29:21,059 will move on so it's kind of that as 800 00:29:23,810 --> 00:29:22,019 we're watching it we're trying to get 801 00:29:25,759 --> 00:29:23,820 cute in and when it's moving you go and 802 00:29:27,019 --> 00:29:25,769 literally so you see the disturbance and 803 00:29:29,899 --> 00:29:27,029 you see this bright white thing moving 804 00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:29,909 around you go what that is that I have 805 00:29:33,589 --> 00:29:31,679 to kind of technical questions for you 806 00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:33,599 so one of the parts of your case that's 807 00:29:39,529 --> 00:29:37,440 so astounding is the object was about 60 808 00:29:42,919 --> 00:29:39,539 miles out at your cap point as you 809 00:29:45,919 --> 00:29:42,929 described how did it know within 120 810 00:29:47,690 --> 00:29:45,929 seconds how did that vehicle know was 811 00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:47,700 there an encrypted communication that 812 00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:49,679 maybe it siphoned off some people 813 00:29:55,129 --> 00:29:52,409 speculated they can read our minds how 814 00:29:56,899 --> 00:29:55,139 did this object that is piloted by an 815 00:29:58,969 --> 00:29:56,909 intelligence it's it's an anomalous 816 00:30:00,949 --> 00:29:58,979 aerial vehicle how did it know to be at 817 00:30:04,369 --> 00:30:00,959 your cap point when you had an encrypted 818 00:30:06,649 --> 00:30:04,379 communication was it messing with you by 819 00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:06,659 going there okay maybe you wanted to 820 00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:10,559 meet me no it's you know I don't know 821 00:30:15,889 --> 00:30:12,329 because you'd say read my mind and I'd 822 00:30:17,690 --> 00:30:15,899 say you're not gonna get much and I 823 00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:17,700 don't memorize the coordinates you know 824 00:30:20,839 --> 00:30:19,200 they get we act they get loaded up on a 825 00:30:22,729 --> 00:30:20,849 system and we have a card that we slam 826 00:30:24,619 --> 00:30:22,739 into the airplane and it loads downloads 827 00:30:26,269 --> 00:30:24,629 everything so I don't memorize that 828 00:30:27,919 --> 00:30:26,279 stuff I just go I know it's Waypoint 829 00:30:30,979 --> 00:30:27,929 number one and I select and it pops up 830 00:30:32,930 --> 00:30:30,989 on a screen I go that's it so how do 831 00:30:35,599 --> 00:30:32,940 they know that was it I I have no idea 832 00:30:37,459 --> 00:30:35,609 obviously they you know obviously if 833 00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:37,469 this is if this is what we think it is 834 00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:39,089 and you're all here then it's obviously 835 00:30:42,949 --> 00:30:42,089 is very advanced whatever it was I'm 836 00:30:44,419 --> 00:30:42,959 thinking if they can figure out a 837 00:30:45,619 --> 00:30:44,429 propulsion system that allows it to do 838 00:30:46,879 --> 00:30:45,629 that stuff then maybe they can figure 839 00:30:48,949 --> 00:30:46,889 out a lot of other things we don't 840 00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:48,959 broadcast you know the points are in the 841 00:30:54,229 --> 00:30:50,159 airplane they're not going out over the 842 00:30:55,940 --> 00:30:54,239 waves some of it does because we have a 843 00:30:59,810 --> 00:30:55,950 link that the airplanes can talk to each 844 00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:59,820 other we can see what the ship sees so 845 00:31:03,859 --> 00:31:01,200 let's talk about technology real one 846 00:31:06,229 --> 00:31:03,869 last point the technology of this so you 847 00:31:07,639 --> 00:31:06,239 know you lude into the idea of the which 848 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:07,649 a lot of the scientists that worked on 849 00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:09,450 the papers they believe it's probably 850 00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:11,129 gravity propelled as lazar said 851 00:31:14,569 --> 00:31:12,329 yesterday and you guys were talking 852 00:31:16,519 --> 00:31:14,579 that's the only thing that can distort 853 00:31:18,349 --> 00:31:16,529 and move things with the inertia factor 854 00:31:20,599 --> 00:31:18,359 like that so you have something that's 855 00:31:22,110 --> 00:31:20,609 technologically advanced that somehow 856 00:31:24,570 --> 00:31:22,120 knew your cap point 857 00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:24,580 at the moment almost that you that 858 00:31:28,350 --> 00:31:26,289 you're going to there that you're sent 859 00:31:30,210 --> 00:31:28,360 to there but also something else 860 00:31:32,010 --> 00:31:30,220 happened and you explain this to me 861 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:32,020 eloquently and I want to understand the 862 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:34,450 difference of a technological machine 863 00:31:40,590 --> 00:31:37,690 that can passively Jam or actively Jam 864 00:31:42,060 --> 00:31:40,600 this object actively jammed our craft 865 00:31:44,190 --> 00:31:42,070 can you explain to the audience what 866 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:44,200 passive gemma is active jamming and why 867 00:31:47,700 --> 00:31:45,370 that's so important that this 868 00:31:51,779 --> 00:31:47,710 technological capability was there for 869 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:51,789 this machine so we'll just talk jamming 870 00:31:58,370 --> 00:31:55,330 in general so so when he what happens 871 00:32:02,700 --> 00:31:58,380 our radars there they're pretty smart 872 00:32:04,169 --> 00:32:02,710 Christ Martin I am I always joke they're 873 00:32:08,250 --> 00:32:04,179 designed by a bunch of kids got beat up 874 00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:08,260 in school it's kind of funny but they 875 00:32:14,340 --> 00:32:10,510 are these guys that do this stuff are 876 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:14,350 brilliant when it gets if you so for 877 00:32:18,090 --> 00:32:16,090 those just in simple terms it's a it's a 878 00:32:19,380 --> 00:32:18,100 Doppler radar it sends out a signal this 879 00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:19,390 signal hits something it comes back 880 00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:21,279 there's limitations to that nothing's 881 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:22,480 perfect they're not all-seeing 882 00:32:27,620 --> 00:32:25,090 all-knowing you just and we learn all 883 00:32:30,450 --> 00:32:27,630 that stuff but it's not important so 884 00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:30,460 when they first saw it that the crew 885 00:32:33,659 --> 00:32:32,710 that took the video the first thing they 886 00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:33,669 do they're flying around they have two 887 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:35,919 screens up they have their radar on the 888 00:32:42,570 --> 00:32:40,330 right which is azmuth and distance so it 889 00:32:44,700 --> 00:32:42,580 says you're it's you know and it goes it 890 00:32:45,930 --> 00:32:44,710 doesn't see all the way around like you 891 00:32:47,159 --> 00:32:45,940 seen somewhat like topic and I think has 892 00:32:48,750 --> 00:32:47,169 a thing it keeps going around he's 893 00:32:49,889 --> 00:32:48,760 tapping a scope no airplanes can't see 894 00:32:53,070 --> 00:32:49,899 all the way around they can see in front 895 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:53,080 so it's doing this and then it has 896 00:32:57,210 --> 00:32:54,730 another display on the left that is 897 00:32:59,070 --> 00:32:57,220 azmuth so left and right and up and down 898 00:33:00,930 --> 00:32:59,080 so if you had two things that were 899 00:33:02,970 --> 00:33:00,940 stacked we could see there oh there's a 900 00:33:04,139 --> 00:33:02,980 guy high in a guy low and on this one 901 00:33:05,340 --> 00:33:04,149 they would look like they're on top of 902 00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:05,350 each other I make sense to everyone 903 00:33:10,889 --> 00:33:07,360 so between the two displays you get a 3d 904 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:10,899 picture okay so what he saw when he 905 00:33:14,130 --> 00:33:12,250 first gets it is they're taking they're 906 00:33:15,539 --> 00:33:14,140 flying out there and you can look at the 907 00:33:17,549 --> 00:33:15,549 video they're actually about twenty 908 00:33:19,049 --> 00:33:17,559 thousand feet with the autopilot on just 909 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:19,059 with the auto throttles on so airplanes 910 00:33:23,639 --> 00:33:22,090 they're just driving around and he sees 911 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:23,649 it and he's in the back seat so the back 912 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:25,210 seat or in a Super Hornet cannot fly it 913 00:33:29,220 --> 00:33:27,250 right there's no stick there's actually 914 00:33:31,409 --> 00:33:29,230 a nub because we can convert it into a 915 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:31,419 trainer but it's do they have side 916 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:32,770 sticks so there's no throttle quadrant 917 00:33:36,250 --> 00:33:33,770 back there so 918 00:33:39,010 --> 00:33:36,260 sitting like this it's kind of 919 00:33:39,910 --> 00:33:39,020 comfortable and they can do everything 920 00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:39,920 with their hands 921 00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:41,360 it's called Hotez they just sit there 922 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:42,320 with their hands on these little two 923 00:33:45,370 --> 00:33:44,090 little joysticks and they can change 924 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:45,380 displacing do all kinds of really cool 925 00:33:49,660 --> 00:33:47,690 stuff and it's decoupled from the front 926 00:33:51,460 --> 00:33:49,670 cockpit so these were the first block 927 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:51,470 two Super Hornets that had went to the 928 00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:53,450 fleet so like I said that we we're 929 00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:54,710 literally get him right out of the 930 00:33:59,620 --> 00:33:58,010 factory from Boeing so he he goes to 931 00:34:01,180 --> 00:33:59,630 lock the radar and what happens when the 932 00:34:02,530 --> 00:34:01,190 radar starts picking up indications that 933 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:02,540 it's being jammed so what happens is 934 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:04,970 your signal goes out and then something 935 00:34:09,250 --> 00:34:06,890 manipulates the signal and sends it back 936 00:34:10,750 --> 00:34:09,260 to you right I think there's a bunch of 937 00:34:13,630 --> 00:34:10,760 different forms if there's any radar 938 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:13,640 engineers in here raise your hand and 939 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:16,370 you can explain this afterwards but it 940 00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:17,690 sends a signal back and it says I'm 941 00:34:20,770 --> 00:34:19,280 being jammed and it gives us indications 942 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:20,780 in a cockpit it will put big strobes up 943 00:34:24,100 --> 00:34:22,370 and does all kinds of things and it's 944 00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:24,110 pretty obvious when it happens you go 945 00:34:28,990 --> 00:34:27,169 I'm being jammed jamming by something 946 00:34:32,110 --> 00:34:29,000 other than us playing with ourselves is 947 00:34:35,050 --> 00:34:32,120 technically an act of war just so you 948 00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:35,060 know so this thing jams and what he does 949 00:34:38,889 --> 00:34:37,040 because he sees it being jammed right 950 00:34:41,590 --> 00:34:38,899 away he can castle real quick and go 951 00:34:43,419 --> 00:34:41,600 from that azimuth altitude we call it a 952 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:43,429 cell he can immediately go to his 953 00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:44,570 targeting flare so that's what he does 954 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:46,250 he castles over he gets the targeting 955 00:34:50,260 --> 00:34:48,770 FLIR and then he takes the passive track 956 00:34:53,590 --> 00:34:50,270 because obviously your radars not 957 00:34:55,870 --> 00:34:53,600 working and not going to work so that's 958 00:34:59,140 --> 00:34:55,880 the tape that no one has seen I have a 959 00:35:00,340 --> 00:34:59,150 lot and this is one of those things like 960 00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:00,350 everyone knows where they're at 961 00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:02,510 I hate just that but 9/11 you're alive 962 00:35:05,890 --> 00:35:03,920 back then you know or exactly what 963 00:35:07,930 --> 00:35:05,900 you're doing on that day this is one of 964 00:35:09,490 --> 00:35:07,940 those days for me I mean I know exactly 965 00:35:11,260 --> 00:35:09,500 what was going on it's very clear 966 00:35:12,340 --> 00:35:11,270 because it's like one of the weirdest 967 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:12,350 things you everybody that happened to 968 00:35:16,750 --> 00:35:14,570 you so when you see that and it's 969 00:35:17,830 --> 00:35:16,760 jamming that's when he gets the pass of 970 00:35:19,660 --> 00:35:17,840 track and that's the minute and 30 971 00:35:21,490 --> 00:35:19,670 seconds that you see what what tape did 972 00:35:24,340 --> 00:35:21,500 you see that nobody's seen the radar 973 00:35:26,770 --> 00:35:24,350 tape the radar tape off of the airplane 974 00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:26,780 that took the video this is my third 15 975 00:35:35,770 --> 00:35:31,520 minutes of fame you don't want one twos 976 00:35:37,690 --> 00:35:35,780 bad three is no and I would never want 977 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:37,700 to be a Hollywood movie star ever he 978 00:35:42,460 --> 00:35:39,770 still thinks this is going away every 979 00:35:44,620 --> 00:35:42,470 month he tells me aren't people sick of 980 00:35:46,690 --> 00:35:44,630 this I've told my story you know we 981 00:35:49,660 --> 00:35:46,700 talked about something else and it's 982 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:49,670 not gonna go away part of what Bob has 983 00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:51,290 had to do over 30 years with George is 984 00:35:56,770 --> 00:35:54,320 to untwist the fabrications and the lies 985 00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:56,780 from a very simple straightforward story 986 00:36:03,010 --> 00:35:59,119 in a lot of ways same with commander 987 00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:03,020 favor I want to thank Dave for coming to 988 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:04,640 talk with you for the first and only 989 00:36:17,970 --> 00:36:08,450 time as he said thank you so much Dave 990 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:20,700 and I just want to give a kind of final 991 00:36:24,359 --> 00:36:22,810 thoughts of you know to George as well 992 00:36:27,450 --> 00:36:24,369 pass it over to him 993 00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:27,460 my kind of final thought here is one of 994 00:36:32,370 --> 00:36:29,920 the first times I really broke the sound 995 00:36:36,329 --> 00:36:32,380 barrier with you about what you think 996 00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:36,339 what you think you saw I just I would 997 00:36:40,020 --> 00:36:38,079 love for today for people to see this 998 00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:40,030 around the world and people saying oh it 999 00:36:43,530 --> 00:36:41,920 could be this it could be that no here's 1000 00:36:46,140 --> 00:36:43,540 commander David Faber sitting right here 1001 00:36:47,790 --> 00:36:46,150 he told you his story direct what he saw 1002 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:47,800 as a trained observer and one of the top 1003 00:36:52,589 --> 00:36:50,770 badass fighter pilots on our planet what 1004 00:36:54,780 --> 00:36:52,599 he engaged so if you deny that 1005 00:36:58,290 --> 00:36:54,790 information that's your problem not ours 1006 00:37:00,240 --> 00:36:58,300 anymore he has spoken now so so what I 1007 00:37:01,620 --> 00:37:00,250 just like to say is when I asked you and 1008 00:37:03,150 --> 00:37:01,630 we broke that sound barrier of what 1009 00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:03,160 we're really talking about here you said 1010 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:05,760 to me after a long uncomfortable pause 1011 00:37:11,579 --> 00:37:08,170 Jeremy have you ever watched 1012 00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:11,589 Independence Day well I have with my 1013 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:13,119 kids because I asked you what do you 1014 00:37:17,310 --> 00:37:14,650 tell your kids about this you know what 1015 00:37:19,770 --> 00:37:17,320 are you what you saw a technology so far 1016 00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:19,780 advanced it's inconceivable that it's 1017 00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:21,250 something created as far as we 1018 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:23,440 understand by human technology it 1019 00:37:27,839 --> 00:37:26,410 appears to be distorting gravity time 1020 00:37:28,589 --> 00:37:27,849 space this thing is bouncing around like 1021 00:37:31,650 --> 00:37:28,599 a ping-pong ball 1022 00:37:33,420 --> 00:37:31,660 you chased it you chased it how does 1023 00:37:35,069 --> 00:37:33,430 that affect you how does it affect 1024 00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:35,079 speaking with your wife how does it 1025 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:36,609 affect you with your with your kids has 1026 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:38,290 it affected you as a human how you look 1027 00:37:45,590 --> 00:37:41,650 at yourself on this earth man my kids 1028 00:37:50,570 --> 00:37:48,380 and both very smart and their mom raised 1029 00:37:54,530 --> 00:37:50,580 him well so when they're together 1030 00:37:56,210 --> 00:37:54,540 like I get brutalized like I walked in 1031 00:37:57,710 --> 00:37:56,220 the door after doing Tucker Carlson and 1032 00:37:59,810 --> 00:37:57,720 I didn't get one foot in the door and 1033 00:38:02,120 --> 00:37:59,820 the memes were fly-in and the jokes were 1034 00:38:06,380 --> 00:38:02,130 come in because I am sober and 1035 00:38:08,620 --> 00:38:06,390 believable so how does it affect me I 1036 00:38:11,450 --> 00:38:08,630 don't know I'm the same guy that I was 1037 00:38:12,380 --> 00:38:11,460 growing up in Toledo Ohio people that 1038 00:38:15,050 --> 00:38:12,390 know me are going to yeah you're the 1039 00:38:18,350 --> 00:38:15,060 same guy kind of a smart aleck 1040 00:38:20,060 --> 00:38:18,360 that's nice way of saying it if I say my 1041 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:20,070 kids got it from their mother but she 1042 00:38:26,300 --> 00:38:24,690 says not so fast no it's it's you know I 1043 00:38:28,750 --> 00:38:26,310 out of all of it I've met some really 1044 00:38:35,870 --> 00:38:31,400 I've gotten a lot of offers that I 1045 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:35,880 usually turn down so you know and the 1046 00:38:41,090 --> 00:38:37,490 reason I'm here is this guy right here 1047 00:38:43,220 --> 00:38:41,100 he he sent me video from the parade last 1048 00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:43,230 year these two guys I go that way like 1049 00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:46,250 it was pretty fun he goes you got to go 1050 00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:49,200 and I go well let me think about it and 1051 00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:50,880 then I was like I know I was off now I 1052 00:38:54,050 --> 00:38:52,740 was on as often and they're like you can 1053 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:54,060 bring your wife and I'm like oh that 1054 00:38:56,510 --> 00:38:54,930 helps sell it 1055 00:38:57,710 --> 00:38:56,520 and of course I was even getting on the 1056 00:38:59,180 --> 00:38:57,720 airplane to come here I'm thinking man I 1057 00:39:01,220 --> 00:38:59,190 got so much stuff to do around my house 1058 00:39:02,890 --> 00:39:01,230 I'm taking all weekend but it's been 1059 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:02,900 really fun it's been a great opportunity 1060 00:39:07,820 --> 00:39:04,890 but I wanted to close with this one 1061 00:39:10,010 --> 00:39:07,830 thing so I was asked you know what do 1062 00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:10,020 you think it is and and I've said this I 1063 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:12,480 don't think I don't think we developed 1064 00:39:19,010 --> 00:39:16,530 the technology I'll just say that and I 1065 00:39:21,890 --> 00:39:19,020 asked my astrophysics prof once when I 1066 00:39:23,660 --> 00:39:21,900 was in college I asked her I said hey 1067 00:39:29,210 --> 00:39:23,670 do you believe in extraterrestrial life 1068 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:29,220 and she said no being the prodding kind 1069 00:39:32,300 --> 00:39:31,890 of pain in the ass that I can be I said 1070 00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:32,310 really 1071 00:39:38,270 --> 00:39:35,040 you don't believe she doesn't go it's an 1072 00:39:39,890 --> 00:39:38,280 infinite universe and as far as we know 1073 00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:39,900 there's we can't count them there's 1074 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:44,640 billions and billions of known stars and 1075 00:39:47,930 --> 00:39:46,290 I know that because we would fly 1076 00:39:49,820 --> 00:39:47,940 night-vision goggles which amplify light 1077 00:39:51,350 --> 00:39:49,830 and you turn all the lights down and go 1078 00:39:55,130 --> 00:39:51,360 up at about 30,000 feet in the middle of 1079 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:55,140 the Pacific then roll your head back you 1080 00:39:58,340 --> 00:39:56,970 can see the entire Milky Way it's 1081 00:40:00,200 --> 00:39:58,350 spectacular 1082 00:40:02,570 --> 00:40:00,210 you see know you can live through me but 1083 00:40:04,430 --> 00:40:02,580 it's it's incredible you can actually 1084 00:40:06,260 --> 00:40:04,440 see satellites going over you can see a 1085 00:40:08,020 --> 00:40:06,270 movement so you sit back there and you 1086 00:40:12,250 --> 00:40:08,030 look and you look at all that and you go 1087 00:40:15,110 --> 00:40:12,260 if we're the only thing this is it Earth 1088 00:40:17,150 --> 00:40:15,120 it's pretty lonely I just want you to 1089 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:17,160 think about that it'd be like you being 1090 00:40:24,590 --> 00:40:21,570 the only person on the planet it's a lot 1091 00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:24,600 of space going to waste so just just put 1092 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:26,310 that in your you know I'm not gonna talk 1093 00:40:31,250 --> 00:40:28,170 a little green man or any that stuff I'm 1094 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:31,260 just saying there's a lot out there that 1095 00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:33,450 we don't know we can't understand 1096 00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:35,910 explain dark energy we can't explain 1097 00:40:42,020 --> 00:40:38,480 dark matter physicists will admit that 1098 00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:42,030 so just take that we still have a lot to 1099 00:40:47,780 --> 00:40:44,880 learn we are just finishing proving some 1100 00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:47,790 of I'm Stein's theories like proof that 1101 00:40:51,260 --> 00:40:50,040 we can actually see gravity waves you 1102 00:40:52,370 --> 00:40:51,270 know and the stuff that just came out of 1103 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:52,380 the black holes there's a lot out there 1104 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:54,450 just just keep that in your hip pocket 1105 00:40:59,930 --> 00:40:57,170 as you all walk out when people question 1106 00:41:02,510 --> 00:40:59,940 do you it's you know if we're gonna be 1107 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:02,520 open-minded let's think that we're not 1108 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:04,770 all that or you know let's check our 1109 00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:09,450 hubris you know and go maybe there's 1110 00:41:13,130 --> 00:41:11,510 some other stuff out there 1111 00:41:20,340 --> 00:41:13,140 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